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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject:

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Bigotry is based on unfounded fear.

Our fear of extremist Muslims is founded.

Don Cole Prod



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Posts: 107
Location: Dover, NJ
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject:

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dailydoz,

I'm not here tp put down anyone's character, show disrespect, or indulge in name calling.

I entirely agree with you, and never meant otherwise, "that regardless of what I think about Islam, my view has no bearing on Muslim citizens' right to pray and congregate as they wish. Otherwise, we need to rerwrite the Constitution and the Bill of Rights." Yes. That is the American way. However; bear in mind that this is not allowed in the Muslim faith, where ultimately there is no separation of church and State. Can't people see the contradictions?

It is strange; dailydoz, how you start out with a hopeful invitation to me, and then end it with character insults.

Muslims take their religion very seriously; and in comparison, most Americans do not. That is the problem. We had better wake up, and study what Muslims believe. Muslims will act on their faith; while the rest of us sleep on ours. Wake up, dailydoz.

Children in our schools are taught atheism as truth. Many of us carry the mentality that Islam is just another religion; and anyone with a smile on their face claiming to be about God, can just walk right in. To the unwatchful; Islam is just another religion, and who takes 'religion' seriously any more?

Muslims take their religion and faith very seriously; and that is where their ultimate loyality abides.

In light of all the atrocities going on in the world in the name of Islam; is it not a bit wise to question this religion, it's beliefs, motives and aims? In the process; we will be forced to take a good look at our own faith. And for the sake of all, and peace in the world, --this is a good thing. God is real; and we will bear the consequences of our faith, or unbelief, be it love of money, apathy, or whatever.

I still believe in the Bible, the word of God, and in the Bible New Testament, -- in Jesus Christ, my Saviour! I believe that this is what our country was founded on, and thank God; we still believe in. And that is the only reason that our country has been so successful. History shows that a nation or person who turns their back on the only one and true God, will fall.

Pray for truth, God loves us all...

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dailydoz



Joined: 21 Jun 2007
Posts: 8
Location: Denville
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:27 am Post subject: Ok Don is a hypocrite

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Don, I have followed your posts on this topic. I respect your right to express your views however disagreeable they are to mine. It is not my intent to engage you in ideological/doctrinal skirmishes for this would be most futile. Again, the issue is whether American citizens have the right to worship. Period. Muslims who are American citizens have every right to a place in which they can conduct their religious services. Thank God for the Daily Record for they are allowing us to read the views from the Muslim side. Read the article again, Muslims will be here long after the mosque plans are either turned down or approved. I should probably stop here because this is the real issue. But it  would callous of me if I do not argue with you on other matters you constantly raise.
You misconstrue the unique relationship between religion and politics within an Islamic setting. I am not well entrenched in Islamic theological interpretations but admittedly there exits authoritarian inclinations in Islamic law. (Same is with Judaism and Christianity) But I will argue that Islam actually does not encourage theocratic rule. I would argue that the transcendence of God Allah precludes identifying him with any one type of political regime. Therefore it is blasphemous for any one man to imitate the divine mode of rulership by arrogating to himself all political power within a community. To put it another way, if all power is located in Allah, then human institutions must disperse power among many parts to avoid pretending to be God. Moderate Muslims need to explore this notion and. I believe by viewing the divine imperative in this fashion, one can expect a devolved, diversified system of liberal governance within the core tenets of the faith itself. Islamic democracy is not an oxymoron. Democratizing a Muslim state cannot be accomplished by a carpeted bombing either or more Starbucks for that matter. It is only through this sketching of an Islamic theology of politics that we can influence future framers of constitutional documents for Muslim states; at the very least, it challenges defeatists and tempers idealists about the possibilities and difficulties of pairing democracy with Islam.

Their is nothing wrong with taking Islam on the road with us. It is the best of guides to dealing with others and with God. You show your fear of Islam. Is this fear because you are not as well grounded in you own faith. A great sense of inferiority is engulfing you because you want Muslims to live their lives like you.: leaving their religion at home. I bet you cheat on your taxes!. That's the problem with you. Religion is an every day act or thought and not a weekend service or cleanse it all confession. Just imagine how better off we would be if all of us were guiding in their daily lives by the commandment and tenant of their respective faith.
I know we may disagree on our perception of the different faiths I sense that you like extremist Muslims see one's religions salvation is possible only through your chosen faith. To you determent, such a is the best example of bigotry, it is the antithesis of love and compassion.
Bu the core imperative is our right to pray and this shall prevail. It is not which religion deserve to have a place of worship. Unless you announce to the world that Don Cole is a hypocrite, you must not hesitate to support our right. If you are not a bigot, then are at a hypocrite?




Don Cole Prod



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Posts: 107
Location: Dover, NJ
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject:

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Dailydoz,

I am disappointed to read that it is not your intent to engage in ideological /doctrinal skirmishes. I do not agree with you, that this would be most futile. To the contrary, I believe that this is exactly what the world should be doing! Skirmishing and communicating; sorting out truth from the lies.

Have you really been following my postings? Have you been actually reading them?

“Truth, --not bombs!” and “Global heart-Warming!” That is what I have been advocating. And where did I ever contend that Muslim citizens in this country do not have a legal right to worship as they choose, or to set up Mosques?

I do not fear Islam. Jesus Christ has already won the battle.

I am concerned about lost souls; as all Christians should be, about loving their neighbors.

And where did you get the idea that my faith is a ‘week end service‘? Am I not practicing my faith at this very moment? Every hour of the days and nights? Check the times and dates and volumes of my postings.

Do you think full time worship is something unique to Muslims?
You can bow down eleventy-eleven times a day or go through as many religious rituals to Allah as your elders teach you; but if you are not worshipping the one true God, and worshipping Him in the way He commanded; then it is all in vain. People need to study and compare the various faiths, not to choose a faith, but to find out which one is right, and then be able to witness to it to others. That is the ‘Christian’ way; which is --truth, not bombs!

I don’t get It., --why are you calling me a ‘hypocrite'? And why in heaven’s name would you “bet that I cheat on my taxes?” Are you one of those who judge others, by what they themselves are guilty of? Jesus said to give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to give unto God what is God’s. He taught/teaches us not to bear false witness; and that the love of money is the root of all evil. But even so; I do not deny that Christ’s church is full of sinners and hypocrites. We all fall short. Think of it as a hospital. God is still working on us all. Jesus Christ is the good doctor. He gives us life; the opportunity to follow Him, to be born again, life anew, to go from the corruptible to the incorruptible.

Jesus never forced, nor implied that anyone else should force anyone to love or follow Him. We are not even forced to love one another. Our love is our worship.

Jesus said that He is the truth and the light, and the way. None can see God, but through Jesus. No other name in which a person might be saved. The evidence bears out that Jesus Christ is who He said He is. Jesus Christ was/is not a liar and a deceiver, as the Koran makes Him out to be.

Dailydoz; it seems like you are desperate to call me something, “If not a ‘bigot,’ than a ‘hypocrite.’ ?
How about ‘Christian‘ ? In your eyes, --isn’t that bad enough?
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Don Cole